Archive for August, 2008

South African Bishop and GAFCON

Monday, August 11th, 2008

Gafcon a movement of the Holy Spirit says South African bishop

The Bishop of Port Elizabeth, the Rt Rev Bethlehem Nopece writes about Gafcon to his people. Its is good to read this coming from a largely liberal Province.

All praise to him who reigns above in majesty supreme; blessed be the name of the Lord! Greetings to you all in the name of Christ, our Lord and Saviour!

It has been a great privilege to attend the Global Anglican Future Conference (GAFCON), held in Jerusalem from 22-29 June 2008. A statement has been produced by the conference. The Archdeacons are to share it with you for study and comment. Gafcon is a spiritual movement which seeks to preserve and promote the truth and power of the gospel of Jesus Christ as revealed in the Holy Scriptures and Tradition of the Anglican Church. It affirms that we have received a transforming gospel which changes character and behaviour of human beings, and brings them into conformity with the demands of the gospel, in obedience to God through repentance and faith in Jesus who died our death (Gal 2:20-21). Reason and Experience are only to be verified and tested in the light of the God’s Word written for whatever is to be ordained or decreed (Article XX). This is the cherished Anglican heritage of the Anglican Communion and the Gafcon participants have no intention of departing from its principles.

There were 1 148 lay and clergy participants – including 291 bishops – from among many faithful Anglican Christians who still look at the Bible as the Word of God, not just a ‘primary source’, as some are led to believe by liberal revisionist theology. Gafcon believes that Anglicanism has a bright future for as long as we are obedient to the Lord’s Great Commission “to go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching and training them to observe what the Lord commands.”(Matt 28:16-20; Eph.2:20). Gafcon is a movement in the Spirit and a fellowship of confessing Anglicans. Please read the statement on the Global Anglican Future. There is nothing divisive about it. The Global South and the Council of Anglican Provinces of Africa are affiliated to it. Pray that the unity of the church be preserved. “Can the two walk together, unless they are agreed?” (Amos 3:3).

WILLIAMS STEALTH ENDORSEMENT OF GAY AGENDA REVEALED

Sunday, August 10th, 2008

WILLIAMS STEALTH ENDORSEMENT OF GAY AGENDA REVEALED IN S.P.R.E.A.D. DOCUMENT

NOTE: VOL believes that in light of recent revelations of Dr. Williams on homosexuality with letters between himself and a lady psychiatrist in Wales, that this SPREAD article with links to the original S.P.R.E.A.D. document are important enough to run again.

News Analysis

By David W. Virtue
www.virtueonline.org
2/19/2007

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams has been exposed in a 140-page document as a theologian-leader who has long supported non-celibate gay and lesbian sexual relationships, contrary to Holy Scripture.

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/content/Williamsandscripture.pdf

Williams, who authored The Body’s Grace and Open to Judgement has a long history of supporting pansexual behavior going back to the early 1980s when he was a spiritual director to persons engaged in homosexual activity.

A team of theologians headed by the Rt. Rev. John Rodgers produced the document believing that the Anglican Communion has not been made fully aware of the archbishop’s views that are at variance with the vast majority of 78-million Anglicans most of whom reside in the Global South and who eschew homosexuality.

The findings of the report are devastating and conclude that the defenders of the Anglican Faith cannot rely on Rowan Williams to use the powers of the Archbishop of Canterbury to preserve, much less propagate, the Anglican Faith which adheres to the sovereign authority of Scripture and requires obedience to the moral commandments given from God by Moses.

The evidence shows that Williams worked for many years before becoming Archbishop of Canterbury to replace the Anglican Faith with a different kind of faith which adheres to the sovereign authority of man’s reason, intelligence, and experience, and promotes a new moral code. The evidence also allows little room to believe that since becoming the Archbishop of Canterbury Williams has changed his teachings.

The 140-page document reveals that Williams began to reject Scripture’s prohibition of same gender sexual relations some time in the 1980s and in a newspaper interview in 2002 he stated that his “developing sense over the last twenty years” that the Church should approve of same gender sexual relations “has come in part from being the spiritual director to people of the homosexual orientation.”

In an interview Williams said; “I did come to a point where I could no longer say the Biblical account answers all of the questions we have or want to ask.”

Williams acted on his conclusion that scripture did not have all the answers concerning same gender sexual relations with such diligence that he became a leader in the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement. This movement was founded in 1976 in England by Richard Kirker who is currently its Executive Director. The LGCM sponsored an annual “Michael Harding Memorial Address” and Rowan Williams addressed the group a decade later in his now famous lecture “The Body’s Grace”.

Williams founded the Institute of Christianity and Sexuality and in 1996 changed its name to the Center for the Study of Christianity and Sexuality expressly holding as a matter of “conviction ” that “it is entirely compatible with the Christian faith not only to love another person of the same sex, but also express that love fully in a personal sexual relationship.”

Williams critique of Scripture can best be summarized in his own words: “I suspect that a fuller exploration of the sexual metaphors of the Bible will have more to teach us about a theology and ethics of sexual desire than will the flat citation of isolated texts; and I hope other theologians will find this worth following up more fully than I can do here.”

Williams was also a member of the board of editors of the journal Theology and Sexuality when its first edition was published in 1994 and remained on its board till 2002 after he was selected to be the Archbishop of Canterbury.

David Holloway, an evangelical leader exposed an issue of this journal which had such articles as, ‘men, Muscles and Zombies,” “The Place for Porn in a Gay Spiritual Economy,” and “Finding God in the Heart-Genital Connection.”

In 1990, Williams worked with the Rev. Canon Jeffrey John, Bishop Richard Holloway, and others to found another organization which promotes the Church’s approval of same gender sexual relations, “Affirming Catholicism”. In the words of its executive director, “Affirming Catholicism has consistently called for the full inclusion of lesbian and gay members of the Church.”

Affirming Catholicism sets forth in its website many of the concepts used by the proponents of the Church’s approval of same gender sexual relations. Among them is the major concept that Scripture’s commandments concerning moral behavior are not conclusive, but are subject to change inspired by the Holy Spirit and measured by human reason, intelligence and experience.” This concept becomes clear when various Affirming Catholicism web publications are pieced together.

Williams gave papers at the Affirming Catholicism conferences in 1991, 1993, 1995, and 2000. Williams traveled to the USA and Canada addressing Affirming Catholicism members in those countries.

In 1992 when Williams was enthroned as Bishop of Monmouth in the Province of Wales he ordained a priest he knew to be unrepentantly homosexual. Williams later explained that he takes the “minority” position that priests do not have to give up a homosexual lifestyle, and he is “not convinced that a homosexual has to be celibate in every imaginable circumstance.” However, if priests engage in same gender sexual relations, Williams would “want to be sure that their attitude to their sexual habits is a reasonable, prayerful, and theologically informed one.”

Not surprisingly Frank Griswold’s teachings reflect Affirming Catholicism’s themes of the Holy Spirit speaking in new ways and the measuring of sexual conduct by human experience.

But it is not only homosexuality that Williams has affirmed. In March 1996 Williams reviewed a book, “Just Good Friends: Towards a Lesbian and Gay Theology of Relationships. Williams states among other things, “Liz Stuart is able to point meaningly and effectively to the image of Sophia as the connection-making, time-taking energy of God in the world, the divine “Spiderwoman” whose life is found in but not extinguished by the event of Jesus – Jesus in the community of those he loves and who love him.”

Williams wrote that “contemporary debates suggest that we are getting worse all the time, with out obsessive searches for purity, whether radical or conservative.”

Later he wrote, “The apparently clear line between eros and friendship is illusory; we are looking at different forms of one passion – the passion for life-giving interconnection.”

In 1997, Williams demonstrated his commitment to his teaching that the Church should approve of same gender sexual relations by giving up the opportunity to be the Bishop of Southwark in the C of E rather than abandon it. Carey objected to the appointment, and asked Williams to distance himself from his teaching. Williams refused the condition and was not nominated for the post.

Williams later helped the Institute for the Study of Christianity and Sexuality’s “sister organization,” Changing Attitude, (a network of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and heterosexual members of the Church of England) lobby for the approval of same gender sexual relations at the 1998 Lambeth Conference. Williams wrote the forward for the book “The Other Way? Anglican Gay and Lesbian Journeys” published by Changing Attitude in June 1998.

The 1998 Lambeth Conference voted overwhelmingly against homosexual relationships affirming that the only place for sexual expression was in life long union between a man and a woman in marriage. When Roman Catholic Cardinal Cassidy gave the homily at Lambeth, he said that there could be no unity between the Catholic Church and the Communion as long as the Communion permitted sexual behavior contrary to the Gospel. Williams took an opposite position to Cassidy saying that opposing views on the sexuality question should not be a bar to unity. Williams said that unity in the Anglican Communion despite the difference over the sexuality question was not “unity at all costs.” Williams obliquely dismissed Scripture as the basis for Christians to discern moral truth.

When Lambeth 1:10 was overwhelmingly passed by a vast majority of bishops that said same gender sexual relations are “incompatible with Scripture” and therefore should not be engaged in, Rowan Williams countered that God doe does not communicate to us authoritatively through the Holy Scriptures, because the writers thereof “misapprehended(ed)” and “misread” “the mind of God” and therefore Holy Scriptures are not the rule and ultimate standard of faith and practice.

Williams joined with other bishops in announcing to the world their refusal to comply with the 1998 Lambeth Conference’s teachings concerning the authority of Scripture and same gender sexual relations.

On the last day of Lambeth Williams and a group of other Anglican bishops announced to the world their opposition to Resolution 1.10′s prohibition of the approval of same gender sexual relations. They did this by signing and issuing to the public the 1998 Pastoral Statement to Lesbian and Gay Anglicans.

In 2000, after Williams was enthroned as the Archbishop and Primate of Wales, he provided the Foreword to the book “Seeking the Truth in Love, The Church and Homosexuality, by the Bishop of Bristol-Swindon, Michael Doe. Williams argued, as he did at the 1998 Lambeth Conference, that the members of the Anglican Communion should remain united despite their differences over the teaching that the Church should approve of same gender sexual relations.

With the publication of “The Body’s Grace” as a pamphlet and as a chapter in the book “Theology and Sexuality: Classic and Contemporary Readings”, and the reprinting of Open to Judgement in 2002, Williams put forth afresh, which he was under consideration to be the Archbishop of Canterbury, his teachings that the church should approve of same gender sexual relations and any opposition to based on Scripture relies on “an abstract fundamentalist deployment of very ambiguous biblical texts.”

In 2002, on the eve of his becoming the next Archbishop of Canterbury, a group of evangelical clergy and laity who sought the return of the C of E to its Biblical roots expressed its objection to Williams becoming the next ABC. They wrote a book “A Line in the sand, Reform and Rowan Williams” which pointed out Williams’s anti-Scriptural teaching concerning same gender sexual relations and called on Williams to expressly state his position concerning such teaching and suggested Williams decline the appointment to be the next ABC if he could not repent.

Williams responded saying he would separate out his personal views from “the majority teaching of the church, and I will exercise the discipline of the Church as I am bound to do. But I can’t go beyond this and say that I believe what I do not believe.”

As a result Church Society an orthodox group of theologians, clergy and laity me with Williams and after talking with him made the following charges against Williams.

On salvation: Williams claimed to uphold the 39 Articles believing a person can only be saved through Christ, however this does not mean that a person of another religion can be saved even though they do not personally know Christ.

On Sexual Practice: Williams is the first ABC who is prepared to condone sexual immorality, including homosexual practice in defiance of I Cor. 6: 9-10. Williams believes that there may be circumstances in which homosexual practice is acceptable. Within a committed ‘covenantal’ relationship it may be permissible for homosexual practice to take place, says Williams.

We conclude that Dr. Rowan Williams teaching on sexuality are sub-Biblical, indeed heretical; that he does not accept Scripture as God’s Word concerning the nature of God, man’s relation to God, or the manner in which man should behave. Williams does not provide answers, he only poses questions and offers a methodology for answering them by looking to “our experience of Christian humanity and reality and how our thinking fits with it.”

By dismissing Scripture as the supreme source of knowledge and treating it as merely a methodological guide for finding God’s will in the experience of Christian humanity, Williams replaces the Anglican faith with a totally new religion wrapped in Christian trappings and terminology.

The entire 148 page report can be read in PDF format here:
http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/content/Williamsandscripture.pdf

END

Consultation 2008

Thursday, August 7th, 2008

Consultation 2008

We have come to the time for Anglican Mainstream SA to meet together once again. Much has happened since last October. It is time for us to meet together to hear about GAFCON and Lambeth 2008, to discern what the Lord is calling us to do in this Province, and to support one another in His work.

When: September 3 – 4, 2008

Where: St John’s Walmer Port Elizabeth.

Programme:

Wednesday 3 September

10.00 AMSA Committee meeting

11.30 – 13.00 Registration

13.00 Lunch

14.00 – 16.45

Presentation on Gafcon

Presentation on Lambeth 2008

Questions, Discussions, Implications

Tea will be served at a suitable time.

16.45 AMSA Committee – plan Thursday format

16.45 – 19.30 Free Time and Supper.

19.00

Report Back

Worship and message (offering taken for AMSA)

Thursday 4 September

06.30

Eucharist with message

07.30 BREAKFAST

08.00 Consultations continue

· Why a church/Anglican should sign Jerusalem Statement.

· Province wide information evenings

· Teaching Outreach event 2009

· AMSA or GAFCON Southern Africa or both

· Prayers

Tea will be served at convenient moment

12.00 Lunch

13.00 Departure

Cost: R250 if you will be taking the meals mentioned otherwise:

R100

(can be paid on arrival or request banking details for EFT)

online registration form here!

Registration: email: anglicanmainstream@gmail.com

Fax: +27 021 874 1120

The Final Lambeth Reflections Document

Thursday, August 7th, 2008

Reading Lambeth

Thursday, August 7th, 2008


Posted by Jordan Hylden on August 5, 2008, 4:12 PM

It’s over, but it’s far from done. The 2008 Lambeth Conference wrapped up this past Sunday, and all the purple-shirted Anglican bishops went back home to the everyday work of proclaiming the Gospel in dioceses from Singapore to South Dakota. Was it a success? Will Anglicans look back someday on Lambeth as a step on the road to healing their troubled church?

The short answer is, I don’t know. I think so, but I need time to think it over and talk to people who know better than I do. We’ll have a brief piece in the upcoming issue of First Things to try and make sense of what happened and what comes next, but until then I think the better part of wisdom is to keep quiet and let things percolate for a while. Even so, I don’t think it’s going too far to say that I’m cautiously encouraged, hopeful, and even excited to be an Anglican–to be present at the creation, as it were, of something new.

But with emphasis on the “cautiously.” My crystal ball has been wrong before. The Lambeth conference is over, but its effects have only just begun. Rowan Williams believes that the conference saw a genuine movement towards the idea of an Anglican Communion that could honestly begin to call itself a church–a covenantally-united body, truly united in faith and charity and grounded in Christ alone. We have to wait now to see if he’s right.

In the meantime, the inveterately Anglo-ecclesio-philic of our readers may want to look things over for themselves. To that end, herewith the second edition of my best-of-Lambeth reading guide:

1) Rowan Williams: You’ll want to read his final address first, followed by his Q&A session at the closing press conference. I’m excited primarily because of the vision he’s laid out here, and the resolve he seems to have to see through its implementation. Next, this article in the Telegraph features an exclusive interview with Williams. And his second Lambeth address can be found here. All in all: Many have criticized Williams in the past for lack of resolve and leadership, and perhaps not without reason. But I don’t think that can truthfully be said of him anymore. At least, not if he follows through on what he said and did at Lambeth.

2) Papers, papers, and more papers: This year’s Lambeth didn’t produce a list of resolutions as in year’s past, but instead gave birth to a 43-page “reflections” document, found here. Essentially, it attempts to be a snapshot of what the Lambeth bishops actually said in their discussion groups, and in that endeavor it succeeds. For now, I think I’ll defer to the judgment of Bishop Michael Smith (ND): “In my opinion, some parts are well written and thought out. Others, however, read more like minutes of a brainstorming session.” He’s right. On many issues, the document is precisely the opposite of resolution; instead, it often records a confusing array of non-reconcilable viewpoints and positions. But on other issues, it displays a significant degree of convergence. You’ll also want to read the preliminary findings of the Windsor Continuation Group, which were presented to the Lambeth bishops and much-discussed. Key items: Moratoria on Gene-Robinson-type episcopal consecrations, same-sex blessings, and CANA-AMiA-type border crossings. Their concepts were taken up and owned by Williams and the clear majority of the Lambeth bishops.

3) The Global South: First, take a look at the official response of many key Global South primates, including the archbishops of Tanzania and Sudan. It affirms the Covenant process and the way forward envisioned by Williams and the Windsor Continuation Group at Lambeth. This is crucial, to my mind–it shows that there’s a sense in the Global South that Windsor and the Covenant are the way forward, and ought to be pursued with vigor. You’ll also want to see the concurring statement, given at Lambeth, of Archbishop Daniel Deng on behalf of the Sudanese church. Archbishop Henry Orombi of Uganda, a leading GAFCON primate, published an op-ed in the Times (London) that was highly critical of the current form of the archbishopric of Canterbury as an instrument of communion (see also this follow-up piece by Orombi, and note Williams’ response in the aforementioned Telegraph article). Finally, GAFCON put out a brief statement of its own, basically amounting to: “We’ll think about it.” Their more considered response will come after a meeting later on this month. (Also noteworthy: GAFCON came under heavy criticism last month, including from yours truly, for publishing an ill-considered response to the St Andrew’s Draft Covenant on their website. To their credit, they have since removed the offending document and issued an apology.)

4) Blogging bishops and armchair theologians: We’ll start to get a better sense of what happened at Lambeth after the bishops, who were actually there, have time to process things and talk things over with their dioceses back home. For my money, the best reflection so far by a Lambeth bishop is Mark Lawrence of South Carolina, followed closely by Bishop Jonathan Gledhill of Litchfield, England. Also of great note in the armchair theolgians category: Peter Ould of England has an excellent–let me repeat, excellent–report and reflection on what happened and where we go from here. Dan Martins has a very thoughtful read of the conference as well. Finally, the most helpful pre-Lambeth reflection is very worth reading in light of the conference: Ephraim Radner’s open letter to the Lambeth bishops, published on the Fulcrum website.

5) Last but not least: my hero Stephen Colbert wins the award for best-overall reporting and analysis. Particularly for seeing what only the most incisive of commenters know–that secretly, Rowan Williams is the cousin of Professor Albus Dumbledore, headmaster of Hogwarts. You’ve gotta watch it.

Happy reading, ROFTERS–and be sure to watch for more in the next issue of First Things. Hopefully I’ll have made up my mind about all of this by then.

(Sources: Many hat tips to Kendall Harmon of TitusOneNine, as well as the bloggers of Covenant, StandFirm, and Fulcrum.)

Lambeth at a “Local” Level

Wednesday, August 6th, 2008


August 6th, 2008 Posted in News |

By David Skinner

David Skinner of the Salisbury Diocese has written the following letter in response to same-sex issues raised by the recent visit of TEC’s Katharine Jefferts Schori to Salisbury Cathedral. The Presiding Bishop preached at the cathedral 13 July 2008. On the following Monday, a forum was given which was ‘touchy-feely’ in ambience and theologically light-weight in content. Also, and interestingly, the forum was tightly (though covertly) controlled, monitored and directed. Echoes of various people’s experience of Lambeth are heard loud and clear here!  David responds here to the aftermath of Jefferts Schori’s visit as written up by a local Anglican clergy.

Dear Reverend Shirley Smith,

I wish to take the opportunity of making a few comments about your article, printed on the front cover of The Hill, July 2008.

First, I must applaud you on your courage, in raising such sensitive issues connected with sexuality and gender. I suspect that the vast majority us hide deep vulnerabilities concerning sexuality and we may also have family, friends, people we know personally, who are directly effected by these issues. No wonder we close ranks when subjects such as these, that can become so emotive and divisive, are raised. Little wonder, in fact that the elephant in the room was ignored at the Lambeth Conference. Rowan Williams must be sighing with relief and congratulating himself on the fact that no crockery was smashed or tables overturned. But you have raised it and it deserves a response. In fact I would go as far to say that it is high time that these issues were properly aired at the local level, for it is at the local level, in our churches, schools, places of work where the challenge to truth, morality and what it means to be human are already being forcibly worked out for us by powerful lobby groups like Stonewall.

For people to say that what people do in the privacy of their homes is none of our business no longer holds true because, whether we like it or not, we are being forced to approve of what people might do behind closed doors. We are having our faces rubbed in it. What previously was considered shameful behaviour is now proudly celebrated from the roof tops. Not only are we being asked to be accepting and “inclusive,” of sexual perversion, but our children are being groomed by government sex education programmes to also conform to this behaviour.

When dissenters to the homosexual agenda are having their collars fingered by the police, jailed, fined, dismissed from their jobs, denied work, publicly humiliated and threatened with prison sentences, this concerns all of us.

A predictable idiosyncrasy of the cover article to The Hill, made by clergy in the Okeford Benefice, is the use of poetry as opposed to scripture. I was pleased to see that you had resisted this conceit.

However there are quotes that I believe are relevant to us. Martin Niemoller, a German pastor and Holocaust survivor who paid a heavy price for faith and freedom, said:

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up”. Read the rest of this entry »

http://www.anglican-mainstream.org.za/wp-admin/page-new.php?posted=64

Wednesday, August 6th, 2008

Lambeth: Surmise, frustration, and interest greet proposals

By Pat Ashworth, Church Times

INITIAL REACTIONS to the Windsor Continuation Group’s suggestions reflected a scepticism that exists within the group itself. On the subject of the moratoriums, the group acknowledges that, on three previous occasions, most recently the Primates’ Meeting in Dar es Salaam in 2007, requests to desist have been “less than wholeheartedly embraced on both sides”.

As a result, much surmise and varying degrees of frustration followed Monday’s airing of the group’s observations, writes Pat Ashworth. Even the Bishop of Durham, Dr Tom Wright, was throwing up his hands and could not come up with a comment.

The Archbishop of Wales, Dr Barry Morgan, reflected a view expressed by others when he said on Tuesday: “Everyone will tell them how deficient it is, and then something else will happen.”

Resolutions at this Lambeth Conference would have been disastrous, but this had been the wrong process, he suggested. “The Americans have produced material which they say they have had no chance to give, though they gave it to the ACC and they gave it to the Primates. All the time, different things are being presented to different groups and so not everyone is in the loop.”

Dr Morgan voiced one key difficulty: bishops from provinces where leadership was autocratic still could not comprehend why their colleagues in other provinces were not able to make an instant decision.

“The assumption is that polity is made by bishops. Some of us live in Churches that believe in synodical government. We can influence but not control,” said Dr Morgan.

The Archbishop of Cape Town, the Most Revd Thabo Makgoba, found the reception of the report very encouraging. “When people stood up and said: ‘Well, my brother Americans, I disagree fundamentally and theologically with you, but I will not leave the Anglican Communion — that, for me, kept up the spirit of indaba.

“In indaba, we do not write each other off. We say: ‘I may disagree with you, but let’s keep on defining what our position is and through that we will finally come to an agreement.’

A significant majority of those at Lambeth wanted to stay together, said the Archbishop. “My sense is that, even if we are not articulating it as such, even if sometimes we are clumsy at that, the fact that we have stayed right through and engaged one another is a positive thing.”

The Primate of Australia, the Most Revd Phillip Aspinall, said he saw the wisdom in the idea of setting up a pastoral forum and the three suggested moratoriums, adds Ed Beavan; but he called for the Lambeth Conference to flesh out the details.

“We’ll be looking for the Lambeth Conference to work out these proposals in more detail. We need to have the Windsor Continuation Group give a bit of a steer so they can show the way the Communion should be moving.”

The Bishop of Alabama, the Rt Revd Henry Parsley, described the group’s suggestion of a pastoral forum or “holding bay” for disaffected groups within the Communion, as “interesting”.

“My sense is it would bring people together face to face to talk about these things. I think that will be a tremendous step forward, so we’re not sending communiqués across the ocean, so we don’t really talk about things in person.

“We need restraint, patience and forbearance, forbearance is one of my favourite biblical words. We all need patience and forgiveness. As Desmond Tutu said about the Anglican Communion: ‘We’re messy, but we’re also lovable.’”